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Now, I've just finished reading the papers, and I am bloody annoyed! This bloody country of ours has gone beyond the limits of all reason, all common sense, and and thanks to this government and other professional do-gooders has well and truly entered the valley of politically correct nonsense! Let me fill you in: first, on Saturday I saw an extraordinary article in the daily Telegraph about how Islington borough council is forcing an Anglican school to change its name. Yes, that's right, st Mary Magdalen's School, which has served the community since 1710, is apparently causing offence to those of other religions or of no religion at all due to the Christian connotations that the name has. christian connotations? Well wake up and smell the coffee councillors of Islington, it's a faith school! The local council has said that it would like the school renamed the islington City academy so as to heal divisions in the local community. Well, that's interesting you woolly-minded Liberal Democrats who run Islington, because on the one hand you're saying that a Christian school gives offence, and on the other hand you're happy for Muslim schools, and schools serving the afro-caribian culture exclusively to be set up. All right, I'd be worried if the school was not admitting pupils on merit, but it certainly is, and besides, the vast majority of parents and children don't want the name changed! Okay, second example: today, I read an article about the prisoners, including terrorist suspects, imprisoned at Bell-marsh prison in south London. Now, the prison includes a multi-denominational chapel, where anglicans, Catholics, Jews, Sikhs etc. can indulge in acts of worship. This is good enough for everybody except, guess who? that's right, the terrorist suspects, among whom we have the radical cleric Abu Hamza, think they should have their own mosque because it would save time not having to cover up the Christian crosses! and do you know what's worse? greenwich Borough Council have climbed aboard and are likely to grant planning permission! why should the British taxpayer pay for all this special treatment? Why can't we just tell them to shut up and get on with it? Why the bloody hell do these people think they are any better than anyone else? the answer is that this country has gone mad, truly mad. WE move earth and mountains for certain minorities nowadays, whilst other minorities as well as the mainstream majority are left behind. But what makes me madder than anythin is that the professional do-gooders tell us that this is all to promote community relations; it does nothing of the sort! It creates divisions and discords which parties like the British National Party can feed off, costs money, and lends to the absurdity of the situation! if you're living in britain, I say, you must accept that we do things a certain way: we do not allow forced marriages anymore, we do have freedom of speech at least in theory, and whilst we reconise and flourish in the many different people who make up this country, no community is to be insulated and privileged over and above the rest of us. Hmm I can see the knives being sharpened amongst the liberal elite as I write, they probably think I should be imprisoned for expressing this view. Well all I can say is that this is yet another symptom of the madness. Please please please someone sort this sodding country out! A good start would be to say that schools named after saints are here to stay, and to tell the Muslim prisoners to use the chapel like vveryone else, but we must take the fight to the do-gooders!
LL two things. Firstly this post is too long to read on a Monday morning so can you shorten it pls? Secondly if you read the Daily Telegraph what do you expect? A load of old Tory rubbish only fit for putting the chips in eh....?
Good Morning Frey.
It may be a long post, but you read it I see. I think you'll also find that my news story is confirmed in The Times, and also on the BBC website. As for the stuff about the mosque, i got that from the Tottenham and Hornsey Journal which is a paper more to your liking I think, and it wa also confirmed in LBC 97.3 FM which is our local radio station. So, thus end any rumours of Lawlord only using Tory sources. What do you think of the main point of the discussion, freya? why is what I say a lot of Tory rubbish, particularly as it comes from sources not associated with the Tories, as well as the daily Telegraph? Nothing you say has convinced me that I'm wrong about the view that this country is fixated with this idea of people making profit out of telling the majority how evil we are, neglecting both the majority and minorities and jumping on the back of silly, divisive, unjustified, pathetic causes which don't deserve to be sniffed at.
And I see that Lee Jasper, the advisor to the mayor of London, has reiterated his advice recently that there should be schools exclusively for those from the afro-caribian community in London. How sad it is that our education system is divided along the lines of race just because the do-gooders feel that's how it ought to be. the fact is that whilst we allow this sort of thing in thi country, we can't have a go at the BNp for refusing to admit members who are not ethnic Europeans, and the community will remain hopelessly divided, the them and us mentality being perpetuated by these lunatics.
Run that main point of the discussion by me again would you LL...and I didn't say you said a load of old Tory rubbish, I said the Telegraph was.....yeah? Try the Guardian instead for a much more balanced view.
Frey.
the point, in a nutshell, is that members of the british nations who make up the majority, or alternatively certain minorities that the state does not feel are disadvantaged enough, are made to feel like Fascist bastards when they protest at minority communities being given seemingly elevated status. My argument is that the elevated status we accord to such minorities is through a misguided notion that it will heal community differences. It does nothing of the sort. Why should these Muslim prisoners be accorded rights over and above everyone else? why should we abolish naming schools after saints and yet at the same time encourage Islam faith schools, and schools for black kids only which to me is reminiscent of apartite South Africa? Don't people see that this is going to do exactly the opposite to healing the rift? It will lose our identity as a nation and encourage people to live in their own little worlds and be anti-anything that contradicts that. Similarly, why is it that we carry on in this country about the murder of Steven Lawrence ten years after his tragic and horrific death, but say nothing when white girls are abducted in Keithly, Yorkshire, by Pakistani youths for the purposes of child prostitution, or when Gavin Hoppley, a member of the middle-class majority, is attacked and killed by a gang of Afro-Caribian youths? The answer is that it is not in vogue: it is not in vogue in this country to stand up for the majority who feel disenchanted with this politically correct claptrap. What is most worrying is that by doing this, the liberal elite mass media are creating a pressure cooker situation reminiscent of the 1930's, and we all know that this led to the rise of nationalism. as far as I'm concerned provided you're patriotic, subscribe to our values and respect our culture, you are British, whatever colour you are, but if all you want to do is insulate yourself and use this country to hold conferences about how the west, and britain, is a toilet full of infidels, you can sod off back home! And I'm not apoligising for that, it's about time we got back to recognising that we're all equal in this community.
To give you more specifics on the examplses I'm talking about: Steven Lawrence was a black youth murdered by, according to an inquest jury, five white youths in April 1993. The prosecution collapsed because of lack of evidence, but it is generally accepted who the killers are. AS for the abductions in Keithly, in 2003 60 young white girls were reported to have been abducted by the a Pakistani gang for the purpose of child prostitution. the media said nothing aobut this until September this year. Gavin Hopply was murdered about two years ago now, but the trial collapsed due to witness intimidation and again, the media saw fit not to report it. so now you're all filled in you can see my point, I hope.
Well said LL.
Being a "minority group" i.e. being a foreigner in the U.S. has taught me a lot and I make my best efforts to be a part of the culture here. I've seen a group of people who come here for the money and opportunities but refuse to be a part of the society, instead the money is sent of back home, the people live together in a little community that is as isolated as it can be (China Town / Greek Town etc) and they avoid having to adjust to the American culture and even get in touch with American people as much as they can. My fellow Icelanders are as guilty as anyone else of this, they all go to the same 2 or 3 colleges and create a little Icelandic community that does not concern itself with the rest of the school activities.
I think this is exceptionally rude. Whereas I do appreciate the movement of people and cultures and I love talking to people from a different cultural background, (and the ethnic food can be amazing, I've been hooked on Lebanese food for over 2 years now and think it's the best food in the world by quite a margin) I feel that they need to bow to the host society, not the other way around. E.g. I think it is ridiculous that Spanish is almost becoming an official languages in the States, if the people coing heree from Cuba or South America can't be bothered with even learning the language they honestly have no rights to be here in the long run.
The worst examples are mostly Europe and sadly mostly concern Turkish people. In Denmark e.g. (I have lots of friends there so I'm well aware of what's going on :) not that I am particularly interested in that country, even if Tuborg beer is top knotch) the Turkish people live together in small communities (ghettos for a lack of a better word). The Turkish guys are not allowed to have sex with Turkish women before marriage (or it is forwned upon at least) but it is ok if the women are not of their nationality. This has lead to a dreadful increase in the rape of Danish girls by Turkish guys, as young as 12 years old. I think this is a horrible tendency and I see no reason for any type of tolerance in that respect.
It's a tough line and I must commend the United States on many points here, the community is often very multi-cultural but still with the sense of Americanism. And people here live together in much more of a harmony than they do in Europe but that's perhaps because they've had a longer time and there is less of a predominant/historic clulture here to complicate issues, peole just invent the culture as they go along rather than having to respect thousands of years of history.
Hard to say, but basically I do my best to respect the culture I live in and expect that to have priority over my needs and I think the same should apply to anyone and I feel the host society can enforce its rules and customs without giving endless exceptions to newcomers.
cheers
-B
agreed lawlord. what beats logic for me is this. people from certain other countries come to this country, and what do they do? they set up enclaves for themselves. These enclaves often have the same problems as the orignial host country, so they seem to have defeated the object of the whole excersize. I agree awith you on the matter of the faith schools. what are we turning into, little pakastan? Also, another thing that really, really gets to me is the double standards with which our government treats imegrants and their own citizans. example. I tried to get a degree at my local college, big mistake, but that's another story. I was, through one thing and another, required to pay my own tuition fees. One term, I had real problems paying, and could only do a tenner a week. Even so, I would still have paid in full by the end of the term. The finance people at the college told me catagorically that I could not do this, whereas I knew imagrants got free courses, and even when they were asked to pay, they often didn't, and often branded the people who asked them to pay as racists for even suggesting that they pay for their course. When I got a wellfair officer to confirm this, something she did off the record, I asked her if I could maybe be able to pay a tenner a week, and that was arranged. more examples of double standards can be trotted out here.
LL.
I think its mostly due to post 9/11 fear that we placate and fawn over Muslim minorities in the mistaken belief that its much better to be friends with the "ENEMY" because really there are so many asylum seekers here we do not know who is who,if their appeal is genuine, or what political beliefs if any they hold.
The hysteria from 9/11 has tainted relations with the Muslim comunities to such an extent that we are now unable to treat them as human beings, they are either a potential terrorist threat, or disadvantaged, anything other than ordinary people.
Wildebrew I agree wholeheartedly with you as will be apparent. Your highlighting of the difference between europe and the US is particularly useful, as what worries me in this country and in others in europe is that incidents involving minorities, and particularly ethnic minorities in which I include Muslims, are absent from the papers. Your example of Turkish girls, for instance, would not get into the papers over here. However, reverse that situation, and have a white person being the criminal, and we are once again made to feel racist and the lowest of the low in our own country. Indeed, so serious is the loony woolly-minded toleration over here that the conference unofficially supported by Al- Qaida, was held at the finsbury Park mosque in North London as we were the only - yes, the only country who permitted people to plot our destruction in our backyard and at our expense.
Goblin I accept what you say, and would say that was indeed thw whole answer, if it was not for the fact that it's not just the muslims who are a problem. when the Afro-Caribian community stir up anti-police sentiments in this country, it's always the police that are the problem, and now we have this terrible straight-jacket post-Steven Lawrence which prevents the police doing their job. Also, whenever a city-dwelling person of an ethnic minority goes into the countryside for the day and is given strange looks by the locals, people don't consider that this might be because they don't have many non-white people there so this person stands out, or because this person is actually a towny and therefore out of place in that way, oh no! Instead, you get Trevor Philips from the commission for racial equality saying that everyone living in rural areas is a racist! So Goblin, I don't think you can put this all down to 9/11, and I solemnly warn that the British National Party will make substantial gains in future years if the rot is not stopped.
I don't live in england, but isn't this basically politics everywhere? Although I must admit i find it facinating that schools for strictly one type of minority have any kind of support, if they were still alive I'd send strom thurman and george wallis over there.
with respect Blindguy, I don't see what this adds to the discussion. We do have schools for catholics, Muslims, anglicans etc. here, and clearly you don't where you live and you don't like them. But what do you have to say on the point under discussion?
A white lad was abducted burned and stabbed by a gang of Asian youths in Glasgow,then a black lad was severly beaten in Paisley {other side of the river} by a crowd of white lads because of his colour and possibly as a reprisal attack for the white boy's awful and pointless death.
Scotland is and always will be a racist country and this attitude only exacerbates an already chronic problem,
LL i agree that the Afro Carribeen community are as much to blame my partner lived among them for 2 years in Derby and she was made to feel frightened intimidated and treated like an outcast her crime being a white Scot!.
Hmm Lawlord, as someone who's not originally english/brittish but now live in britain and as someone who comes from Bosnia, a country in which nationalisam caused a terrible civil war, any type of nationalisam like you seem to be expressing here does make slightly worried. As much as I agree that renameing of the school which was here for centuries is absolutely unenecesirry and leads even more to the state of this stupid political correctness, as much as I agree that there's totally pointless buidling a mosque for Muslim prisoners, especially as they're the only relegious group that seems to demand this, I do believe that minoritties shold have wrights. As much as I am proud of my origins and of my culture and where I come from, as much as I'm involved in several activities of former Yugoslavian comunitty in London, I also intergrated in to the brittish society and do my best to respect brittish people and culture. Yes, there are people, even in my nationalitty who do segrigate them selvs and I do not and never will asociate with shoe type of people. My opinion is, if you come to another country, especially if you're intending to live there, you must intergrate in to their society, must learn the language, must respect their culture and, above all, law. Respecting the law is obvious and logical, but it seems like some of those think that their religion is above the law of the country they live in and they still seem to get away with it. However, as much as what I said I believe also that people should be proud of their origins and their culture and should even educate others about it. I also think that minoritties should be respected, IE if there is large comunitty of certain religion and they want a relegious object built, I don't seen a problem with it, britain is a cristian country, but do we really want to turn it in to a natiolist country where those of different race, culture, religion are intimidated? I must say that I did have some bad experiences from people when they found out where I come from, and this was based only on that fact and came from people that didn't know anything about me as a person, I must say though, that this was manoritty and that majoritty brittish people welcomed me in fact most of my friens here are brittish which is logical and natural. I just think that nationalisam is unneceseirry be it coming from brittish majoritty or the manorities in this country and it happens on the both sides. As long as people from other countries culture obey the law and respect and intergrate in to society I don't see the problem, but the fact is that obviously that there are those that don't. However, I'd agree with lawlord tht this political correctness could lead to nationlisam increas by brittish people because some of those people demand for far to much and sometimes are given far too much.
From what I read of your material, Internet King, I see that there is not much disagreement between us. I should reiterate that what I am expressing is not nationalism, it is patriotism with a view to freeing so many organisations from political correctness. I agree that religious objects should not be the privilege of the Christian faith alone, but when some people say that they put the advancement of Islam before their respect for British values and our laws, then I am sorry but I draw the line at that. I repeat, I am not a nationalist if by nationalist you mean a supporter of the national front who advocate repatriation, or the british National Party who believe that the true British are the indiginous white people of these Islands, but I am a ptriot, I am british and proud of it, and I am sick to death of being made to feel like a second class citizen by the lunatic politically correct media and government circus, not least because as you rightly say Internet King, it will end in the rise of nationalism in the sad way that we saw in the 1930's.
I'm glad lawlord that you don't consider your self a nationlist, however I got to question that, especially when you posted the bit in which you say: "if all you want to do is insulate yourself and use this country to hold conferences about how the west, and britain, is a toilet full
of infidels, you can sod off back home!" I don't hold any conferences because that is not my profession nor do I think that west and britain is a toilet full of infidels, but I disagree with a lot of attitues of brittish and US governemt when it comes to inernational politics especially the way they handeled issues in country where I come from or former Yugoslavia in general or even Iraq and I show my disagreement and disaprooval with a lot the west does when it comes to inernational politics, however I can't see how that would make me less of a citisant than anyone else, in fact I met several brittish people who in many aspects share my view and are almost ashamed to be living in a country that is ruled by current government. If we do believe in freedom of speach than I surely have a wright to express my thrustration about the government on any issues even if they are about the country where I originally come from? Just because I might critisize the government, doesn't mean I don't obey the law or disrespect brittish soceity.
Internet King, I haven't got a problem with criticising the government, there are several users on here who can tell you that I do it all the time. But if you mean that we should put up with conferences such as those which took place at the Finsbury Park mosque, if you think we should put up with Abu Hamza trying to resist extradition by using the Human Rights act when he is at the same time plotting the great Jihad against Britain and the west, if you think that we should put up with people seeking to undermine the way we do things by branding our police as racists at the drop of a hat or grooming western girls for child prostitution just because it's acceptable in certain countries, then i strongly disagree with you and I will never condone such nonsense. But I am sure this is not what you meant. it is these people, who consider themselves to be better than us, or who have no regard for this country's culture, its traditions, its history and its values, who can sod off home and I make no apology for that. You will see, of course, that this is not at all the same as criticising the government. If you cannot bring yourself to accept British society's customs, values, history and culture, believing instead that your own cause should prevail, then my opinion is that you have no place in Britain.
If cathlics and muslums get special treatment where they have schools which only they are allowed to go to, and normal methodests may not attend then it's clear that is descrimination which is a step backword.
Blindguy, I do wish you would read serious discussions like this before contributing to them. Where on earth do you get this stuff about Methodists from? You fail to see on your partial reading of this discussion that it is, in fact, all about allowing separate faith schools! Before you contribute again, please read the more substantial posts to this discussion which should help enlighten you as to what the main point of it is. You really ought to realise that we are not talking about discrimination against minorities here.
By making it schools based on faith you are eliminating applicants which is discrimination. Go blow your brains out, and raise the IQ on this board by 20 points.
Blindguy, when you have lived here or at least studied this country, you will realise that faith schools do not eliminate applicants. a school may be, for instance, a church of england faith school, but it takes people from all walks of life. and correct me if I'm wrong here, blindguy, but don't the black Police officers' association, the Asian Lawyers' association, the black Teachers' Association, eliminate members too as you put it? I'm white, but I can't join the Black Teachers' association, can I? Yes, but Lawlord, why should you? I hear you ask. Good question, blindguy, and perhaps I shouldn't be allowed to. but if i'm not, then you can't blame the white people for setting up organisations that only admit white applicants. Now blindguy, several people have said this to ou already, but the message appears not to have sunk in: you really must learn to behave a little more courteously to people on these boards. You insult my intelligence, for example, in this discussion in a way so infantile and childish that it detracts from any sensible arguments you may havve. You resort to obscenities when a point can be made far more forcefully by employing other methods, not on this discussion admittedly, but elsewhere, and basically the result of this is that people don't care a fig for what you say. Before you can comment on complex issues, I suggest that you apply yourself a bit more and try and give these boards something constructive. You will notice, for instance, that all my posts are backed up by research - solid, verifiable, concrete facts and figures. all your posts to this board have demonstrated a clear lack of understanding of the issues: you saw faith schools, for instance, and thought it would be an ideal opportunity to accuse people of being discriminatory. I'd forgive you for finding the posts ambiguous if others had misunderstood the point of this discussion, but they have not. You have an awful lot to learn my friend, and I suggest you start by learning a thing or two about good manners and politeness, so that your contributions to debates of a meaningful nature can be valuable.
blow your brains out the mind boggles?
I suggest m'lud that if you blow your brains out your mind will be well and truly boggled...And I would like to add to that the indisputable fact that my assertions are backed up by evidence and thorough research. Consider yourself told blindguy, and go and apply yourself right now!! Frey. PS Goblin none of these comments are aimed at you so don't bother ignoring them in that particularly annoying Scottish way.
Excellent Freya, that made me smile without a doubt. To tell you the truth I'm surprised we hadn't heard submissions on the main question being tried in this particular matter from you before. I'd be interested to know what Freya QC has to say on the subject under discussion in light of the claimant's evidence.
Lawlord, I sure would never put my self in to the cagegory of people that you have mentioned in your post which was reply to mine, as I said before, I respect brittish history and culture and to me this seems logical and natural for someone who decided that wants to live in this country, as you correctly said, all I was saying that I have a wright to disagree and question governement policies regarding international politics including the country where I originaly come from, but I do agree with you if people are holding confernces about holding a plot against the very country they live in, there's something wrong there.
Internet King I think that in practice there is very little difference between the attitude of myself and yourself, if indeed there is any difference at all. I think that disagreement with the government and with international politics is healthy and we do need it as a society, and I am sure that your attitude is the sort of attitude that I would like to see from every imigrant in this country. Incidentally, I notice that there is a documentary on BBC2 tonight about trying to encourage more ethnic minorities to work at belmarsh prison, London. I obviously haven't seen it yet but it appears that Belmarsh have dropped many of their former stringent training requirements for ethnic minority recruits. Apparently, you don't even have to go through an interview process anymore! but that has yet to be confirmed, and suffice to say for the moment that I shall be watching this documentary very carefully tonight and if it is indeed as I fear, I shall be back on here tomorrow to fil you all in!
And I guess you would like to send em all home and keep this country just for the British eh LL? I don't see any problem with changing the name of that school anyway, St whatsits sounded rather old fashioned in these modern times dont you think? Freya QC
right I don't have much time so I'll be brief: first, yes anyone who doesn't subscribe to british values etc. as I have laboriously set out above in this discussion can sod off back home. And secondly, modern is not always better Freya. If they want their school to be named after a saint, then who are we to tell them they can't? And I should mention, I was truly disgusted by what I saw about Belmarsh last night. white recruits have to go through an interview process, but this has been dropped for ethnic recruits so that the bloody quota of ethnic minorities officers is satisfied! dear oh dear oh dear well watch out for the headline 'dangerous prisoners escape' when inadequatly qualified recruits are rushed to the front line without proper training just to satisfy the home office targets! Has anyone thought that this is patronizing to those from ethnic minorities?
I have to agree with Lawlord and others on this. In America Spanish is almost a requirement, and in at least one state I know of it truly is. I use to babysit 2 girls; 10 and 8 years old. They were new to the state, and being forced to learn Spanish in order to get through school. Why? Because that was the primary language of the school system. Isn't our language American English? Ok, I thought so. People in that particular state got jobs first if they were bilingual, then Spanish and then American. My husband had to learn Spanish just to be considered for a job there. Not research, but personal experience. I don't have a problem with anyone moving here, but in short, you come to America, then your in America not little (your country name here). I also however don't have a problem with religeons having their own schools. Ok, there is my 2 cents, <smile>, take it or leave it.
Witchcraft you're good two cents over there and I apologise about the pun. I'd be interested to know whether or not the media over there are selective in their reporting of crimes i.e. do the American media make a lot of a racially motivated murder where the victim is from an ethnic minority whereas they don't when the victim is white? That's certainly what appears to happen over here, and the happenings with the belmarsh recruitment process are just an extension of that.
Correction: it should have read 'You're talking good two cents' and I'm not going to explain the joke if you ain't got it.
I don't think it's as bad as it is there, but it definitely goes on... Two particular cases come to mind. One occured in California. A black man was beat up by the cops; he claimed abuse, they claimed restraint; I don't know how it turned out. But nothing would have been said if he were white. And more locally just a few short years ago a black boy was shot by cops when he reached into his jacket in the dark during a chase. The cops were blamed and put on trial. I do believe they were acquitted, but I think you are getting the drift...
Yes it sounds depressingly similar to what goes on over here. This builds up resentment but the resentment seems to go unnoticed by the liberal elite media. The other thing, of course, is giving people from ethnic minorities advantages when they apply for certain jobs over here as I have already mentioned, and this aspect of the problem is so bad that now you have non-white people voting for the white only British national Party because they feel so patronized and fed up with the status quo.
'anyone who doesn't subscribe to British values can sod off back home'?? Did you really say that LL...what the hell are British values and are you a member of the BNP by any chance? Frey.
No, I am not a member of the BNP. I dislike most socialist parties and the BNP are a socialist party. also, as I'm sure you know Freya, the BNP's definition of being british is being one of the indiginous native peoples of these isles i.e. Celt, Roman, Norman, saxon, Viking etc. In short, to be british in the eyes of the british National Party, one has to be of white European dissent. As I have said twice previously in this discussion, I do not agree with this definition of being british. Indeed if this were the definition of being British, then people like England cricket captain Nasser Hussein, former olympic 100 metres champion Linford Christi, and England rugby union eemporary captain Jason Robinson would not be classified as British. what on earth would we have to gain from excluding good patriots like these? None whatsoever. so, what on earth would we have to gain from subscribing to the British National Party's definition of being british? None whatsoever. I rest my case and hope that the myth of my being a member of the British National Party is dispelled. I'm surprised, in fact, that you didn't pick up on the point Freya that throughout my posts to thtis discussion I warn that unless we do something about the problem highlighted by this topic, nationalism in the form of Nick Griffin's BNP will grow ever more powerful. There is already evidence of this: in the London mayroal elections in 2004, the BNP came fourth, beating the green party and the socialist Labour alliance, as well as the UK Independence Party. The only way of sorting this out is not giving the BNP ammunition, and that brings me to your second objection, that is to say, 'What are british values?'. I have given a long list of examples about what I find objectionable, and I am sorry, but I will main unmoved in this view. britain has certain cultural traditions, traditions of tolerance and of decency, which no person should feel he is in a position subvert, whether by creating a cultural enclave or otherwise. I repeat, those people who are here merely because the rest of the world won't have them, and who refer to the west as a toilet full of infidels, can sod off back home. As for the rest, they are as British as I am no matter what creed or colour they are, if they integrate themselves and don't seek to create their own cultural enclaves. I wonder, freya, whether you have noticed that Stoke City Council have decided to ban christmas? this was the same council that embraced the holy month of Ramadan last month, laying on special meals and encouraging the police to show sensitivity to it. Hats off to Stoke for that, but why on earth ban christmas and turn it into a winter festival? The council's answer is that it will offend people of other religions in Stoke. It is this nonsense with which I take issue, as well as the under-reporting of crimes against white victims, and the race relations industry in this country with trevor Philips as it's front-man. I repeat, Freya, these are the main points with which this topic was designed to take issue, and I hope it is clear that in no way do I subscribe to the british National Party.
Ban Christmas LL? What a bloody good idea...save me a lot of stress I can tell you. Are you sure you are a trainee barrister hmmmm? For dissent read descent...Frey.
Yes indeed that was an egregious error, you have to be of white European descent, although it's interesting to note that recently there was some dissent as to the descent issue in the rank and file of the BNP, in that the dissenters advocated those of non-European or non-white descent being allowed to join, but this opinion was dissented from by the top-brass and the white European descent rule remains however much non-whites may express their dissent. I promise you that I am a trainee barrister, and we ascribe the utmost integrity, independence of the bar and unimpeachable ethics a higher status than the odd spelling error, some of them very odd! I know you make a joking reference to the ban on Christmas, freya, but to you and to others reading this discussion, I ask the question whether or not you, like me, view this os more disturbing evidence of the political correctness gone mad ideas that we have been discussing. If you don't see it this way, then how do you view it? I presume also that given no further unrest as to whether or not I am a member of the British National Party, my last post resolved this question sufficiently unambiguously.